Is freedom a necessity beyond comprehension? Or; does it satisfy the needs of yourself and your kind?
Do people want freedom to enable them to have a purpose in the world?
Won't atheists deprive themselves of food and sleep to make their mark on the world? If they believe that death is the end; why would they care about their reputation after death? Shouldn’t they focus entirely on self indulgence? The only scientific excuse would be to attract a mate, or to make money. Do you find brainy scientist attractive? Do you think that being a brainy scientist is the best path to fortune?
People in the past posted good comments, were you? I need your help; this is a major part of my puzzle. I am trying to accumulate prove for this theory.
According to science every organism wants to serve itself and its kind, I could only think of two conclusions 1) Science has proven that humans are supernatural, or 2) The supernatural has scientific implication in nature, particularly affecting human. Can you answer this any other way?
Please!!! Help me discover other human desires which are supernatural, or explain to me how the above is natural.
If this post is wild, consider that I had a drink before writing it. If not, it proves I could think while drunk.
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As an atheist I need to point out that the science of evolution is not the basis of atheism. Many atheists probably don't understand evolution or cosmology or palaentology. These are highly specialised fields and the average atheist should not be expected to defend them (its like asking an average Jew or Christian to defend themselves with scripture every time someone questions their belief). Many people come to atheism because they do not believe in the supernatural. Simple as that.
Atheists just live life like other people. Maybe they suffer angst because they see bad things happen to good people and good things happening to bad people. But at least they don't try and rationalise it as being the doings of a supernatural deity who chooses to act in what I can only think is a completely random way. The atheist doesn't wonder at how a merciful deity can bury 150,000 poor Haitians under rubble and drown 225,000 Asians under a tsunami. He sees this as a result of movement in tectonic plates (a process that has been going on for 4.5 billion years on this planet). No other explanations are necessary. The Earth can be a dangerous place.
Atheists can be hedonistic or contemplative. They can act very ethically or they can behave criminally. In fact they are a lot like people of faith. Religion, or the threat of punishment from the all-knowing, all-seeing deity policeman hasn't stopped people of faith committing heinous crimes. Anyway religion isn't the only philosophy to live by. Have you heard of Epicureans and Stoics? Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. Those guys had some interesting things to say too. Not to mention John Stuart Mill, Bertrand Russell, John Locke, Voltaire, Spinoza. There is a wealth of wisdom that awaits those who venture away from their Bibles, churches and mosques. I think it is every man's right to explore these ideas and take from them what comfort and hope he can.
Science has proven that Humans are advanced (not supernatural) in comparison to other species on this planet. However we share 95%+ of our DNA with chimpanzees. The DNA code is like a history lesson of life on our planet. We are but one more species. Religious people hate this because it removes the special status humans have in religion. In religion humans are exalted (in comparison to other species) whilst at the same time they are reviled and humiliated (particularly if they are women, come from other tribes, have other beliefs, or, heaven forbid, no belief at all).
Religious people spend there time on their knees, grovelling to a non-existent deity. Atheists stand tall and walk the earth proudly. They gaze in wonderment at the awesomeness of the universe and of nature (without thinking that it has a creator who 13.5 billion years later is highly, highly offended by someone who chooses not to believe in him - how petty of the great one to be like that - he can't be that super if he doesn't have the maturity to accept that some people just won't believe in him).
What you say is quite interesting. When I contemplate Atheism I have similar thoughts.
If I understand what you are saying, Atheism is a belief system which people chose to use for ulterior motives as well. 1) "How a merciful deity can bury 150,000 poor Haitians under rubble and drown 225,000 Asians under a tsunami." 2) Atheists don’t have responsibility to a greater being they live and die as they please.
I refused to accept Atheism since 1) It has no logical proof (Other than the possible lack of proof for other religions) 2) I don’t care about the advantages of a religion; I want to know, what is reality? If there is a G-d who wanted 200,000 Haitians dead, does your lack of belief change reality?
As you will see in my further posts I believe humans are infinitely greater then animals. We are nearly the same physically but, there are minor details which make us extremely superior.
Example; two men are fighting, one has a gun and the other has no weapon, who will win? The little piece of metal makes the gunman virtually impossible to beat. They are %99.99 the same.
I see Atheism as a religion which has an equal chance of being true as any other religion.
In my further post I will attempt to explain how everyone senses spirituality. An atheist either disagrees with any interpretations or, they chose to ignore their senses.
I can't see any ulterior motives in Atheism. If you were part of a religious community and you become atheist you would tend to cut yourself free of that community (at least the religious ritual aspect). You may actually lose friends from doing it as well. So I can't see the ulterior motive of atheists other than the desire to be free from the control of a deity they don't believe in and to free themselves from the control of the adherents who enforce what Christopher Hitchens calls 'this celestial dictatorship'.
When you say Atheists live and die as they please I think you trot out the same argument that atheists are fundamentally immoral because they don't believe in an afterlife. I will reiterate strongly that I do not believe there to be a connection between morality and religion. Ultimately we all have free will and we will choose to do good and evil whether we believe in God or not. I can only point to the thosands of clergy and religious people who have committed acts of child abuse, have been utterly corrupt, have committed murder etc. In many cases they have said they were entitled to perform these crimes by their God and their holy books. The only case I can see where religion prevents evil is when once a week it imprisons its adherents in a church or synagogue or mosque for at least an hour. During this time it is very difficult to commit acts of evil when you are on the verge of falling asleep.
You say atheism has no logical proof? Atheism has tons of scientific proof. We have telescopes mounted on satellites that can see images of the universe at the dawn of time. These telescopes have scoured the universe and theres no sign of him. Where is he hiding? All you have for your proof is a series of books written by bronze age men. Written by men who lived in an age where the only explanation of unexplained events was the supernatural. A belief that people could be possesed by demons, that witchcraft was real, that the dead could come back to life. Hang on. Religious people still believe in that nonsense.
I turn what you said around and say does your belief in God change the reality that 200,000 Haitians were killed in a single minute. The reality is that 200,000 Haitians died. The matter of whether God existed and had a hand in it doesn't change this reality. I let God off the hook by saying he is not responsible becaues he doesn't exist. However, if he does exist then he should have stopped it from happening and the fact that he didn't makes him wicked in the extreme and not worthy of worship. If he exists and couldn't stop it from happening then he is not all powerful and therefore also not worthy of worship.
Atheism is not a religion. Just like not collecting stamps is not a hobby. I wouldn't call it a belief either. A belief that science has the potential to unlock the secrets of the universe is a belief but it is not the same as atheism. So your fight to conserve the position of religion is with science not atheism. You must use science to prove that your holy books and the miracles and amazing events that are chronicled in it are true. Alternatively you need to logically prove that the religious viewpoint is logically superior to the scientific viewpoint. You are going to have a hard time with that. The achievements of science and the success of the scientific method, particularly in the last two hundred years have been astonishing. And although not all of it has been for the greater good (the atom bomb for example) there are plenty of grand achievements which have improved the lives of millions of people (including those in the third world). I'd like to especially single out the achievements in medicine.Without them most of us would be dead by the time we were 40. What has religion achieved? Some grand cathedrals and mosques have been built, and some lovely paintings have been painted (not to mention some nice sculptures). Some lovely singing and some nice uplifting hymns too. Oh yes and 9/11 and a great deal of other trouble and strife.
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